Vit D supplements - Neurologists thoughts?

KarenH's picture
My Neuro has advised me to take Vit D supplements
17% (6 votes)
My Neuro hasn't mentioned anything about taking Vit D supplements
57% (20 votes)
Other - please reply to this poll
26% (9 votes)
Total votes: 35

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KarenH's picture

It will be interesting to see...

It will be interesting to see just how many neurologists are advising their patients to take Vit D without the patient asking the question first!!

admin's picture

My Neurologist hasn't but my

My Neurologist hasn't but my GP has!

I have adjusted your Poll Karen, it pays to have the "Other" option ;o)

tawney008's picture

Glad the "other" option

Glad the "other" option appeared, I didnt vote before cause I didnt know which one it fitted into Smile

Now, last time I went to my neuro, I asked him about the Vit D studies, and we talked about that for a while amongst other things, eg Stem Cell research, hypertension drugs to treat MS, CCSVI etc... I usually throw every bit of research I have at him... He cringes when he see's my name, lol. Anyway, he asked if I had had my levels tested, I said no, then he ordered them as part of my normal blood tests.

When I went back to him, he told me results, which were 57n/mol, and he said to suppliment.

Cheers Kristy

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Seyaowpa's picture

Vitamin D has no Kickbacks for the doctors to reap...

My neuro told me that while there is no 'need' for MS patients to take Vit D - it couldn't hurt and he left it to my judement... My GP just says 'loose weight now while you can still walk cos you'll get even fatter when you're in a wheelchair'...

My interpretation: The neuro is a nice guy who is WAY to fond of drugs - he can't get $$$$ from Vit D sales like he can from the 'normal' drugs. My GP is a tosser who now has one less patient...

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sneakypuss_01's picture

6000 IU per Day

My neuro recommended 6000 units per day. She checked my levels before I started and they were low, but I haven't been check since I started them in November. I haven't noticed much of a difference to be honest.

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AmberA's picture

Hasn't tested yet

My neuro mentioned to me last October, suppose we better test your Vit D levels, we will do it next we see you. Saw him Nov and forgot all about it (both of us) So when I saw my Haematologist a couple of weeks ago I asked him to test the levels for me, will get results this Friday when I call him.

Though I am seeing my neuro tomorrow for my husband so I might ask him if I should be taking supplements regardless.

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KarenH's picture

My neuro has always tested me

My neuro has always tested my Vit D and other vitamin and mineral levels but has never suggested for me to take Vit D as a supplement. I guess this is because they are always in normal range.

I'm quite amazed that he hasn't asked whether I take it given that he knows and accepts that I use chinese medicine and other supplements.

He even writes in the letters to my GP acknowledging the benefits I receive from acupuncture as part of my MS treatment plan.

Good luck Amber, hope all goes well with your husband's visit with the neuro.

Anne's picture

You can add one more yes, and

You can add one more yes, and remove one no because I accidentally voted in the wrong field. Innocent

Many years ago it was my neuro who brought up the subject of Vit D, arranged my blood test, and when he saw how low it was it was the neuro who suggested I buy Vit D supplements, and how much.

Helen's picture

Sort of

Hi,

When I was first diagnosed my neuro told me to get Jelinek's book as he had good advice on how to manage MS. I have always followed that, starting at 1000iu with his first book, to 5000, his latest recommendations, to 10,000 given the latest research.

I iniated my first D blood test ever about one year ago, it showed 82nmol. Considered 'normal' by current parameters for 'normal' people. Research suggests at least 100nmol for MS, so I am following that, which is why I upped my dosage. I am due for bloods in two weeks when I visit my neuro, I will be cranky if I don't make 100. My neuro specialises in epilepsy, doesn't really keep up to date on MS, but she is such a sweetie. I am trained to apply evidence based practice, and I'll pick up the shortfall for her. I also have a back up neuro.

The western medical system dictates that we treat symptoms - hence why we see neuro's, MS is claimed to be an immune disorder, - so why not immunologists??. How much training do you think that a neurologist has had on vitamins - the only interest is coming now is the genetic link and role that Vitamin D plays in regulating T cells.

So to me if a neuro is recommending D, then they are up with current research.

Helen.

Ctefeh's picture

Neither

My Vit D discussion came about with my MS Nurse. She was all for it as it would appear (to me at least) she's keeping up with the latest. Tested and was 88 nmol. Due to go back to my GP's surgery to get another now I have followed Jelinek's recommendation for a month. Two weeks at 10,000 Iu per day, now @5000 Iu.

Sean

pennysue's picture

Neuro suggested

My levels were checked after a flare up when I was in hospital & I was told to go on vit d & also iron.
due to get blood tests again in a couple of weeks so will see gp to get that added to what gastroenterologist has ordered. I have only been taking 1000 a day so dont know if its enough or not as was never told how much I needed.

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jjoh1971's picture

Don't know what she thinks

My neuro (and I've only been seeing her for a year) has not recommended Vit D but admittedly I haven't brought up the subject. I just accept that neuros are human and they don't know everything, so I don't often ask them. They are obsessed with drugs, it's just something that they know more about (and the cynical me says they get more perks out of recommending them).

I have got my GP to check my Vit D levels and they were 205 nmols. She said that perhaps I shouldn't be supplementing so much but having read some of the things that Helen has posted, I think that I am doing exactly the right thing.

My neuro has poo poohed the CCSVI theory in my last appointment and I confess that I don't think that it causes MS, but it may make it a worse problem. So I doubt very much that she would be open to Vit D. But I don't really give a rats because doctors are not even remotely educated on nutrition in their medical studies. They are not the experts.

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KarenH's picture

We see nueros because it affects our CNS

Hi Helen,

Even though MS is an autoimmune disease we have to see a neurologist because it affects our CNS. Just like RA is an autoimmune disease and sufferers must see a rheumatologist, same with people with diabetes must see an endocrinologist and the list goes on for autoimmune diseases.

Immunologists aren't trained in the actual areas of where the disease affects. Truthfully, I'd rather be in the hands of a neurologist trained in the CNS, then an immunologist for the monitoring of MS.

Helen's picture

The dividing line

Yes, Karen, that was my point about Western medicine, treating the symptoms and not the cause. There are neurologists who are also trained immunologists, and that to me is the preferred combination. But alas most of the time the right hand never knows what the left hand is doing.

In the end, it's my body and I'll decide what to do with it based upon the best evidence available. Thankfully I don't narrow my reading to Neurology, but am open minded about all things to do with MS. Vitamin D would be of more interest to an immunologist because of the connection with the regulation of T cells and vitamin D. It's T cells that do neurological damage. It does not do science any justice to not be able or willing to think outside the narrow square of their own discipline. MS is not simple, as we all know and despite oodles of money and research we are still no closer to cause or cure - so until then all bets are off and all options open as far as I'm concerned. I have more concerns about the fact that I have been injecting Copaxone for six years then I have about taking Vitamin D.

Helen.

KarenH's picture

I agree

I agree, but don't think we'll see the day that neurologists will be trained immunologists but they should work closely hand in hand. The same goes for western and complimentary medicine, they should also work hand in hand.

I certainly don't limit myself to my neuro, or what he says, or what any of my specialists say. I ask many questions before making any decisions about drugs. I only take two western drugs, so to speak, and one daily because I have to for my heart. I probably wouldn't take that if I could, but the fact is the proof is there I must have it as I've seen what happens when I don't and certainly won't play with life and death! So to me western medicine plays an equally important role as complimentary.

But basically I'm pretty much an alternative medicine person and will take things that I know can't really harm me, that I can only benefit from. Hence, why I take Vit D. But I personally don't believe this will be the magical cure until it is proven to me. Sure I can see many benefits from taking it BUT I don't believe it is a cure!! or even the cause. That's just my opinion. When data comes through that can actually prove these theories, then I'm quite happy to believe it. But until then I question everything about MS, the cause, the treatment etc; and I will continue to do that until there is a cure and also it is caused.

My personal belief is that MS is caused through a number of factors, and that a virus could be the main predominating factor as to what triggers it. Just like people who end up with cardiomyopathy as a direct result of a virus. Not everyone who gets the virus will get this, but some people do - why? We still don't know that answer.

I believe it's the same with MS but there must be other factors involved as to why the virus does what it does. I also believe that hormones are going to play a huge role in MS as they unravel the mystery! These are just my beliefs just as you have your your beliefs. But it doesn't mean I can't challenge anything I choose, whether natural or synthetic substances etc;

I personally chose supplements and acupuncture over Copaxone because I had terrible reactions to it which made me question it even further. I had some rare reactions to it that I wasn't told about originally, nor were these things listed on the leaflet. Now I have to be monitored for a condition every 6 months because of this drug, and it was supposedly the drug with the least side effects. So you won't be seeing me doing near any western drug for MS for treatment UNLESS it is proven as a cure, or proven that it can actually stop relapses, and proven that the side effects don't away the benefits.

I'd love nothing more than to find out we could take a simple Vitamin such as Vit D (which in fact is really a hormone) to cure or stop advencement in MS. So far personally, I haven't seen any difference with taking Vit D. I was never deficient in the first place, so my levels should be a lot higher now. I had doubled my intake at the beginning of the year, so it'll be interesting to see on my blood test 2 weeks ago whether the levels have risen.

I guess the only way I'm going to be able to see personally whether it is working for me is when my levels increase, and my symptoms decrease etc; So time will tell.

tawney008's picture

Has the research indicated

Has the research indicated that Vitamin D will decrease symptoms, or just reduce the relapse rate?

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KarenH's picture

It suggests reduced disease activity

Hi Kristy,

Research has suggested reduced disease activity which would include reduction in symptoms I would imagine, as it's when our brains are inflammed that we experience more debilitating symptoms, excepting of course where there is permanent damage to nerves where there is no reprieve from symptoms.

Research from Harvard University suggests that by taking supplements you reduce the chances of getting MS. However, in this latest book I am reading, called 'The Vitamin D Cure', there is no mention that it actually reduces relapse rates.

But I would imagine if it reduces disease activity that that would in fact reduce the severity of a relapse, and/or lengthen the time between relapses. Basically acting the same way as the DMD's claim to! Time will tell, but in this book there certainly isn't any indictation that Vit D is going to be a cure for MS, or stop MS from progressing.

This book suggests that by having the right amount of exposure to sun, correct diet and taking of Vit D supplements that one can prevent alot of diseases or reduce your odds considerably; MS included. I haven't read the book in its entirety yet. There are lots of facts and figures in it, that's for sure.

tawney008's picture

Hey Karen Sounds like a good

Hey Karen

Sounds like a good book to read. Keep us posted. Its my way of thinking, from the research I have seen, that by taking the high dose Vitamin D, relapses may be cut down by 41%

http://www.webmd.com/multiple-sclerosis/news/20090428/high-doses-vitamin...

It is these sort of studies which are helping pave the way for more clinical trials into MS and Vit D. I know there is one running in Victoria at the moment, but not sure when its due to end. Will be most interested in the results!!

Anyway, like this study found, Vit D may help reduce the relapse rate, or as you said, lesson the severity of one, but as for old symptoms from previous relapses, nothing can help these Sad

My opinion is that the medical field are starting to take a serious interest in Vit D, hence the clinical trials starting to appear, and its a relatively cheap suppliment, with no proven side effects etc, so I will take them till the cows come home Smile or till they prove there is no benefit what so ever from taking them..... as I dont think it can hurt, and even if it only prevents one relapse a year for me, that could be the 'Biggie" that may put me in a wheel-chair....

The way I look at it, I am trying to do anything I can to stay well enough so that when the stem-cells become available, or the next new DMD they discover that stops all relapses, I can have some quality of life left. (I am the eternal optimist.... I have to believe there is a cure or at least a damn good DMD in the pipeline somewhere in the future... otherwise I would lose the plot I think :-)Even better would be the things they talk about to repair the myelin!!!) So I will do what ever I can, with in reason of course, till that day comes Smile And if they find that Vit D does nothing, well I will have gr8 bones, and may have prevented some other health condition Smile

Cheers Kristy

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